Jerry,
My bulls are Milking Devons from Doug Flack in Vermont. I got them about one year ago and have 6 calves on the ground so far with 4 more eminent and 30+ more in July. These bulls were tested and found to be double A2. I could not be more pleased with them. Very docile and never yet showed aggression to me or any cows, they have little need to fight to find out who is the biggest and baddest, my Murrey Greys live for that and my Jerseys do a lot of it too. The Milking Devons have huge horns, they are not polled cattle like the beef Devon. I do not personally like horns probably because my experience with Jerseys. My Jerseys use their horns and are mean with them. I have had to remove them from most of my cows. I bought about 50 Jersey cows over the last 7 years and 30% or so have had horns intact. But the Devon bulls do not use the horns they have. They seem to be very aware that they have them, they turn their heads to get thru a narrow spot and they are very careful around the hay ring to not hurt anyone with them. I have never once seen them use the horns in an eggressive way. The guys are very docile. They used to be triple purpose animals, milk meat and draft animals. I can easily see these guys plowing or pulling a cart. But i cannot imagine a Jersey ox doing it!?
Also these guys are breeding machines. Doug ask me to take it easy on them the first year because they were young but i beleive 1 bull could breed 50 to 100 cows without any problems. At 30 cows he lost a little weight the first 3 weeks of breeding season but gained it back the next 3 because all the cows were bred.
Other changes (seen on the first 6 cows to calve) were noted. Last year we got little colostrum, this year a LOT. Last year the cows just calved but this year 24 hours before calving they had huge udder growth then popped a calf. All 5 of them the very same thing. Gestation is about a month longer, maybe more! The calves look incredible, imed show glandular function, hairs coats slick, come out small and grow like crazy. Our first one was born Feb 2nd and looks like it may have doubled its body weight already. The calves look completely Devon, even tho these calves are 50/50 Devon/Jersey they look 90% Devon. I am stunned that the bull can make all these differences but it is happening right before my eyes. I especially like knowing that the cow will calve in the next 24 hours by the udder growth! Also the calves are up within 5 minutes nurse and the cow then imed drops the afterbirth and then eats it like her life depens on it.
The previous 5 years we were breeding to the mini Jersey bull and we had a nice one but 6 months after i had these 2 Milking Devons here i looked at that Medium sized mini Jersey bull and ask myself "Why am i keeping this sorry specimen on my farm?" I did not have a good answer so i loaded the sorry attitude and off to the butcher. He pawed and fussed every time i came around, always ready to pick a fight. He never charged me but if you know Jersey bulls you do not turn your back on them! And i was always concerned when gone and the help had to deal with him. Who needs the extra stress in there life?? The next question i ask myself was "Why didn't i listen to Gerald Fry 5 years ago?" Gerald told me the Milking Devon would be a good breed for me but i was enamored with the Mini Jersey. The Jersey is a good breed but the Milking Devon Perfect for me because our two big things are milk and beef. Also i think the Milking Devon will do better in our FL heat than the beef Devon altho i doubt the beef Devon will have any problems at all.
No grain animals. When i had them brought from Vermont they went via Nashville then a farmer drom south Alabama picked them up there and brought them to his farm for me. I then went and got them from there which was a five hour trip. I do not feed grain here and will not ever to these guys but the old thinking is still around so i thought "these bulls have already had 30 hours of trucking and now i load them and go 5 more so i will swing by the feed store and get some sweet feed" You know they never touched it! Doug said they have never had grain but find me a Jersey who has never had sweet feed and give her some and watch her say no thanks to it?? Maybe but i doubt it.
How are you doing? Are you available to come in the fall to speak at our fall gig around sept or october? This A2 info would be great stuff to share with our folks here. I sure am glad we have you to do the in depth research...........we farmers sure won't get it done.
Best,
Dennis
On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:16:22 -0500 "Jerry Brunetti"> writes:
Hi Dennis
I have the Woodford book and read a lot of his research in the last (2) years. Cowan’s premise on allergies affecting folks on even raw milk may be accurate. I’m not sure that the French breeds however are exempt any more than the British breeds are. In fact I’ve heard or read that the Guernsey may be one of the last A2 “reservoir” breeds, as far as dairy animals are concerned. What breeds are your bulls? As far as cheeses, is it possible that the ageing process neutralizes the impact of the BCM 7 peptide?
Also, some of the research suggests that the various illnesses associated with A1 milk are more predominant in northern Europeans vs. southern Europeans near the Mediterranean. However, it’s an associative speculation that may not include even more relevant factors such as the sunlight and the Vitamin D connection, higher consumption of fruits and vegetables, the Mediterranean climate, many more aromatic herbs and spices are consumed, a very large omnivorous diet, wine vs. spirits for alcohol, etc. It certainly is another set of stones to overturn. I don’t want to entirely malign the Holstein-Fresian breeds either. Back at the 2006 WAPF Conference, I did a presentation on iodine. One of the factoids I presented was that Holstein-Fresian cows deposit a lot more of their dietary iodine into the milk, producing those powerful iodoprotein compounds that are highly anti-cancer. But if the A2 gene is as profoundly important as Woodford suggests, it’s worth the effort to learn more, for sure.
I go to New Zealand on March 8th. I’m sure it will come up in discussion in the No. Island workshops as the controversy is much more heated in NZ and OZ.
All the best
Jerry
Will,
After reading this i am more excited than ever to be the proud owner of my A2 A2 bulls. AND with 4 calves on the ground it is eveidence of something good. These are the most robust growthy calves i have ever seen.
Dennis in Live Oak FL
On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:06:01 -0600 William Winter writes:
This just in from DR TOM COWAN of the board of the Weston A Price Foundation. It's from his newsletter. I think the earlier discussions we have had about the changing genotype of cattle is very relevant and something that we all need to keep hammering away on. To me, this article just about says it all, and could form a foundation for a movement of sorts to make people aware of this, to promote more testing, and to promote a marketing campaign for A2 animals all across the US.
Please let me know what you think of this. I'm pretty excited about it!
Will
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TOM COWAN, MD,I have been involved in thinking about the medicinal aspects of cow's milk virtually my entire career. As one four-year-old child pointed out to me many years ago, "Mommy, I know why he always talks about milk, his name is Cow---an." So, I guess this milk "obsession" is no surprise.
The obsession started in earnest about 25 years ago when I read the book The Milk of Human Kindness Is Not Pasteurized by maverick physician William Campbell Douglass, MD. This was one of the most influential books I have ever read. I became convinced that a large part of the disease in this country is related to the way we handle, or rather mishandle, milk and milk products. Raw and cultured dairy products from healthy grass-fed cows are one of the healthiest foods people have ever eaten. It is the very foundation of western civilization (not that this is necessarily so good). On the other hand, pasteurized, particularly low-fat, milk products have caused more disease than perhaps any other substance people are generally in contact with. This view was re- enforced when I met and joined up with Sally Fallon and learned the principles of the Weston A. Price Foundation. End of story, I thought - I could stop thinking about milk.
Over the years, every once in a while Sally would say to me, "You know we have the wrong cows here." I had also heard this from assorted bio-dynamic farmers but didn't really know what to make of this or whether this was a medical issue I should be tackling. All along, though, something was not quite right. It remained unmistakably true that many of my patients, in spite of eating only the proper dairy products, still had illness and still seemed not to tolerate milk. Truth be told, for most of my adult life I myself couldn't drink any kind of raw milk without feeling a bit sick and congested. Somehow my story with milk wasn't quite finished.
Along came the GAPS diet (Gut and Psychology Syndrome) and the use of low dose naltrexone, both of which I have described in previous Fourfold newsletters <http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102472389506&e=001Mqvv56nfcqvcgQ_Y4bEKRA7nVisHPzpZdE7psLyxyBlsSJPHEV-cTjq1shejGfXUgbnfWnkfW9CiGKzUP9gIqKrEcTsYD2FLBKRQnPWpScCT8iQilStyax_hA6bp8x9u> , but the relevance here is that many patients only improved and recovered when they eliminated milk (but not other dairy products) from their diets and took a medicine that stimulated endogenous (one's own) endorphin production. Then, a further nudge on this topic showed up about a month ago. I was asked to consider writing the foreword to a book called The Devil in the Milk <http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102472389506&e=001Mqvv56nfcqvsF1nfgvW84R-Abm2eAIWgNf0tJA1rRYZllSHVjTelrQkHzT_T_XklVTIWkHeBdwFKovROZbHo7mayaX3n8X5eypFFsqAyewccIQP2mbrP2zskL2IeTeFBPWvTIGaivFbcQeJvxwRBZ5bGzLq67jy2XniGD7A73V94Oo-VJZANIg==> , written by agribusiness professor and farm-management consultant Keith Woodford. In this book Dr. Woodford lays out the theory that there is a devil in some of our milk, and this is something we need to come to grips with. Here is a brief synopsis of the main thesis of his book.
Milk consists of three parts: 1) fat or cream, 2) whey, and 3) milk solids. For this story we are only concerned about the milk solid part, as the fat and whey don't have this "devil". The milk solid part is composed of many different proteins which have their own names, lactose, and other sugars. It is the protein part of the solid we're interested in. One of these proteins is called casein, of which there are many different types, but the one casein we are interested is the predominant protein called beta- casein.
As you may or may not know, all proteins are long chains of amino acids that have many "branches" coming off different parts of the main chain. Beta casein is a 229 chain of amino acids with a proline at number 67 - at least the proline is there in "old- fashioned" cows. These cows with proline at number 67 are called A2 cows and are the older breeds of cows (e.g. Jerseys, Asian and African cows). Some five thousand years ago, a mutation occurred in this proline amino acid, converting it to histidine. Cows that have this mutated beta casein are called A1 cows, and include breeds like Holstein.
The side chain that comes off this amino acid is called BCM 7. BCM 7 is a small protein (called a peptide) that is a very powerful opiate and has some undesirable effects on animals and humans. What's important here is that proline has a strong bond to BCM 7 which helps keep it from getting into the milk, so that essentially no BCM 7 is found in the urine, blood or GI tract of old-fashioned A2 cows. On the other hand, histidine, the mutated protein, only weakly holds on to BCM 7, so it is liberated in the GI tract of animals and humans who drink A1 cow milk, and it is found in significant quantity in the blood and urine of these animals.
This opiate BCM 7 has been shown in the research outlined in the book to cause neurological impairment in animals and people exposed to it, especially autistic and schizophrenic changes. BCM 7 interferes with the immune response, and injecting BCM 7 in animal models has been shown to provoke Type 1 diabetes. Dr. Woodford presents research showing a direct correlation between a population's exposure to A1 cow's milk and incidence of auto-immune disease, heart disease (BCM 7 has a pro-inflammatory effect on the blood vessels), type 1 diabetes, autism, and schizophrenia. What really caught my eye is that BCM 7 selectively binds to the epithelial cells in the mucus membranes (i.e. the nose) and stimulates mucus secretion.
For reasons which are unclear historically, once this mutation occurred many thousand years ago, the A1 beta casein gene spread rapidly in many countries in the western world. Some have speculated that the reason for this wide spread of A1 cows is that the calves drinking A1 cows milk and exposed to the opiate BCM7 are more docile than their traditional brethren (in effect, they were stoned). This is only speculation, of course. But what is true is that basically all American dairy cows have this mutated beta-casein and are predominantly A1 cows.
The amazing thing for me is that all these years Sally was right: it's not the fat, it's not the whey, and it's not raw milk. Consider French cheese - mostly due to culinary snobbery, the French never accepted these A1 breeds of cow, claiming they have lousy milk. Voila, they have good milk and cheese. Our issue in America is that we have the wrong cows. When you take A1 cow milk away, and stimulate our own endorphins instead of the toxic opiate of BCM 7, some amazing health benefits ensue.
So what are we all to do with this? Does this mean no one should drink US raw cow's milk? One saving grace, as expressed in The Devil in the Milk, is that the absorption of BCM 7 is much less in people with a healthy GI tract. This also parallels the ideas of GAPS theory which talks a lot about this. BCM 7 is also not found in goat's or sheep's milk, so these types of milk might be better tolerated.
One final point: we now have one more thing to put on our activism to-do list. Dr. Woodford explains that it is fairly straightforward to switch a herd to become an all A2 herd. No genetic engineering is needed, no fancy tests, just one simple test of the Beta-casein and it can be done. Hopefully, when this becomes widespread we will end up with a truly safe and healthy milk supply. Then maybe I should just change my name.
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